Pretty good, as always. Not crazy. You are, however, locked in that libertarian/communitarian ping-pong game. Sorry to say. Like the man/woman thing, the answer is hierarchy. Women rebel against male authority (see Genesis 2 in your favourite book). Your commoditization theory is a good enough explanation for why this happened, but, ultimately, an absurd notion like "equality of the sexes"---completely at odds with the bulk of Western history and ALL of its important texts--has put us into the mess we are in. Causal reciprocity here. Damn, you must be old if you remember the original "manosphere" days. Good times. Rian Stone has preserved a lot of it in his "sidebar." Get some sleep and carry on.
I remember being a MRA back in the day and my biggest flaw was being fundamentally liberal and expecting women to be the same as men. They're not. They're subject to vastly different evolutionary pressures which have of course acted on the brain as much as the rest of the body.
We don't expect women to become lumberjacks and shiprights because that would be insane. Equally we should not expect women to excercise direct political authority and generally act like men.
Communitarianism is an important answer, but part of that answer has to be men becoming men again and women becoming women.
Oh, yes. So many lies some of us raised with because most women are F-ing delusional psychos that can't Love. I mean masculine Love that tells you what you need to know even if it makes you cry. Slimy lying women that can't image or don't care that not everyone has a vag and jump into traffic to set you straight.
Oh, God have mercy on all the males raise by lying F-ing witches that will wonder why none of her sons live older then 30, could it be the poison she vomited into them from crib.
There are not enough hours in the day to kick the teeth out of all the women and mothers that their children would have been better off it she died when they were 5 years old, and the father had to raise them - what a successful life we could have had.
I wouldn't have guessed you read Bernays, that's some extremely niche reading. But his 1926 essay "Manufacturing Consent" helped create the bullshit we deal with today. Bernays was a filthy jew who even used his Uncle Freud's (a different type of filthy jew) work to pad his own pockets.
"This puts me in direct opposition to people who want to hold women accountable for their actions. I always find this strange in MGTOW because they have the ideas of hypergamy, economics, and sexual dimorphism completely wrapped up..."
Perhaps because the implications are horrifying. There aren't systems making women do this, it is women acting as they naturally are when there isn't a system to rein in their behavior. And that this isn't going to change, short of complete political collapse*. At which point getting a date will be the least of our worries.
*- which is highly unlikely
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"demand half of what you own"
I'd add that this includes retirement, unless you are a railway worker. Many seem to focus on cash in the bank, but especially if you've been working for awhile that retirement can be far larger. I worked with a guy who had to come out of retirement in his 70s because his 2nd wife took 1/2 of his retirement that was left after the 1st wife had taken her 1/2.
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" When the divorce rate is 50% of all marriages, is it really that 50% of men are bad?"
Interesting factoid: highest divorce rate is lesbian couples, lowest is gay male couples. I think we've narrowed down the list of culprits...
In America people aren’t property. That is the Declaration of Independence whose compromises were resolved by Civil War and the 13th Amendment. The 13th amendment bans ALL HUMAN SERVITUDE. So; The state can have no powers over the family or slavery, serfdom and trafficking in humans- such as Child protective services engages in - is the result. The state and the laws destroyed the Father for power and money with the willing collaboration of women whose motives are money and revenge.
The state cannot touch the family no more than it can touch religion. Until this is accepted human servitude continues and the family will be reduced to the privileged, even as the richest of them refuses marriage and contracts for children. Can anyone blame them?
The author’s point about holding women accountable is impractical to impossible is true but they marry the state for low reasons.
Do explain. “Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”
You need to get a good grip Article VII, too. It purports to tell the reader about the law of establishment before its own ratification. That presupposes what is at issue, so a source of law outside the Con is needed. If there were one, we could say truthfully A7 is a restatement of law, much as the United States Code is presented as a restatement of law.
The preamble is yet another problem area. It insinuates that absolutely everyone has authority, which is false, of course. Also false is the claim that everyone in the populace at the time participated in ordaining and establishing the Con. In truth, fewer than ½ did so. This is not itself a problem, as just suggested, but the blatant lie vitiates the preamble, which serves as the authority clause of the Con. Your Constitution is fake law.
I have no idea what you are all about but I have restacked a couple of your pieces. Your commenters have me very perplexed. There seems to be so much misogyny in your commenters but that is not what I read in your pieces. I will keep coming back to read.
Great essay. I disagree, though—strongly—about the washing machine. After the vacuum cleaner and the car, it’s the best invention ever. I don’t know what you have against washing machines.
Up until the invention of the washing machine most women were highly occupied with domestic labour.
Western men took it as a source of pride to free women from their job with technological wonders, but the result was bored women who were easily propagandised and mobilised to cause trouble.
To be honest I knew that's why he said that about the washing machine (and I don't disagree, although I would say the problem is the 19th Amendment not the washing machine). So I was partly being humorous, but also partly reflecting my personal situation: since because of women's lib I have to clean the house myself, thank God for the machines!
Feminist realizes victory destroyed society. Her own son, nephew and students won’t speak to her and do a cost benefit analysis in every interaction; usually say nothing.
All of this bickering will end when our civilization collapses and women go back to being chattel.
Civilizations collapse for all kinds of reasons, but I believe our civilization will collapse (and quickly) because we let women vote. They vote to let in huge hordes of barbarians and simultaneously encourage the printing of money because everything should be "free".
It'll be massive inflation and being overrun by thirld world street-shitters that will be our undoing. All because women feel bad for the people they see on TV.
Also, most of the federal reserve, and Nixon, who brought the dollar off the gold standard are men. I don’t think woman had much to do with taking the dollar off the gold standard. I don’t think women had much to do with the fact that Wall Street, which is predominantly male is obsessed with easy money and quick profits. Once again, the 2010s and 2020s have brought this new strain of conservative victimhood, where men have become perpetual victims tossed about by the seas of fate and evil feminist (who they caricature laughable ways), and now express a resentment in the world that is out of step with reality.
You want to know what women made ugly? The got political power and changed society so that strangers can insult or disrespect a man with the hyper-safety lawfare big-Sister everywhere so it you punch the cnts in the head for being rude, FeminNazies drag you off to jail and the asshole you now regret you didn't break both his legs has lawyer and taking you retirement and other things that you still own money on.
When I was a young man everyone was polite to everyone, and not only because they might get a punch in the face - it was because we were twisted cnts, we were raised with standard male virtues, and women knew that men were important in keeping civilization going and also because most had some kind of problem that a stranger (man) stepped up and helped her.
When I moved to Vermont there was an asshole at work that would say things that were insulting if you look at them the way he wanted you to, because no one else would understand if punched the basterd after one of them, anyone listening would know why you did it.
I had anxiety moments because my fist would scream 'Punch him!' but my job was what I was born to do, and it I hit him, I know the job would be no more, and so I would beat him until his skull was in pieces and brain would be everywhere - I sure didn't want to stand naked before God again and See myself as a killer through His eyes.
Yea - it's a F-ing hell-scape. And I'm looking forward to God calling me away
Young women in their 20s don't want to get married, they want to party and work on their fun and exciting careers. It isn't until their 30s that they realize work sucks and that their ability to lock a man down is fading.
No. Quite sad actually that my desendants will have to endure all of this nonsense. It's sad seeing my people (WASPs), the most productive people to ever exist on the face of the globe, wiped out because we made the mistake of granting universal suffrage.
Besides the fact that as I stated, you cannot prove that any ills facing the USA now are do to female suffrage, what ai want to understand is what does this twisted viewpoint do for you? What kind of psychological needs is it fufiling.
AlsoOk. If you are against female suffrage, who do you think should have the right to vote? And in a world without any rights for women, how would you differentiate yourself from Afghanistan, Iran or several Central African countries?
Women are the tool used to destroy society. In the early 1960s a lot of older mothers and grandmothers rejected the wisdom that they had always passed down to daughters and grand children, along with religious faith. They were brain-washed by Zionists owned and controlled mass media and ideologically captured education, medical, psychological, and other institutions.
Hell had gotten an expanded borderless foothold onto the desecrated Holy Lands in late 1940s, and all demonic directed groups have a spot to coordinate from ..
---
As the world is overcome in screams of torturous endless death as the malignant expending borderless foothold of Hell that was given the false disguised name ..
(israel, {hear the screams from Hell, it's now blaspheme name!}),
.. one tiny bit of peace for the Jewish Nation in it people around the world and all those can still see and think .. The Demon that had hidden and brought endless persecution has been drawn to the Foothold of Hell in large enough concentrations that we can see the evil that was hiding - your own Synagogue of Hell and Death that claimed to be Jews but were not.
.
Quick Rejoice! before Hell Death takes us all , Thank and Praise God you are Free of the Curse that followed you everywhere - and the rest of the world can know that you not the evil and death that hid and followed you. The Rotting Stinking Corpse That - disguised wearing the fresh pealed skin off another dead Jew that their persecution brought onto you!
WE SEE IT - TOO!
Do You?
----
And those captured older women, mothers, and grandmothers that once pass on wisdom became Satan's programmed 5th column Golem-warriors in every family.
The exchanged Faith and knowing we all are made in the image of God with souls, to soulless meat-machine that can sin endlessly listing and murdering our babies until the void of nothingness takes us - the reject God enslaving themselves to sin and death and Hell.
So, forcing all population to accept something that the day before was illegal in every State with some rare extreme exceptions and that was how a large majority of people wanted and knew it should be, then forced by unelected Justices to accept the ugly, insane, evil as normal and paid with taxes and push all around the world under 'health' on false legal grounds.
It broke our minds, and every generation it gets worse. With women cheering on the next insanity - sexually mutilate children YES! Eat the unborn - YES! ..
Well, I submitted a manuscript about the cognitive damage we all suffer from, I hope will be published after successful peer review, and it is powerful because it defines what so many people haven't been able to and so have been helpless to suffer it's increasing harms and damage not only to us in the USA, not only to all the Western nations but most of the world.
The manuscript is in PDF form and may be downloaded from here:
Have a look and discover some of the answers to a lot of questions we all have .. like why we are sliding non-stop ever deeper into flaming Clown-World Hell?
Marriage is supposed to be divine union where both sexes get to play their ultimate part to create Stasis. Men seem to be completely separated from the true nature of women and think it perverse and evil and it causes everything they do to backfire, creating misery for both parties. If men knew how women are supposed to be in nature and didn’t hate it but rather loved it, the collective union wouldn’t be where it’s at right now.
Yeah, we need each other, and we need a structured community. But we also need to get women out of high institutions and government. Until their stranglehold on our culture through managerial karen-ism is eliminated, women as a whole act as an existential threat to the future of all young men.
You get into something interesting with the “personal responsibility” vs. “change management” argument. Tony Robbins calls this the thermostat, where you only make the change you’re comfortable with for as long as it feels good.
Too much effort and you get exhausted before you build a self-sustaining system. Too little builds up angst until you can’t bear your situation any more and you start a flurry of change. Either way, people on that treadmill usually run out of energy before they get what they want.
But at least preserving agency keeps your options open, giving you more chances to build the community you want if it doesn’t already exist.
Pretty good, as always. Not crazy. You are, however, locked in that libertarian/communitarian ping-pong game. Sorry to say. Like the man/woman thing, the answer is hierarchy. Women rebel against male authority (see Genesis 2 in your favourite book). Your commoditization theory is a good enough explanation for why this happened, but, ultimately, an absurd notion like "equality of the sexes"---completely at odds with the bulk of Western history and ALL of its important texts--has put us into the mess we are in. Causal reciprocity here. Damn, you must be old if you remember the original "manosphere" days. Good times. Rian Stone has preserved a lot of it in his "sidebar." Get some sleep and carry on.
https://youtu.be/jYFUvPEOtXY I was a participant. lol
I remember being a MRA back in the day and my biggest flaw was being fundamentally liberal and expecting women to be the same as men. They're not. They're subject to vastly different evolutionary pressures which have of course acted on the brain as much as the rest of the body.
We don't expect women to become lumberjacks and shiprights because that would be insane. Equally we should not expect women to excercise direct political authority and generally act like men.
Communitarianism is an important answer, but part of that answer has to be men becoming men again and women becoming women.
Oh, yes. So many lies some of us raised with because most women are F-ing delusional psychos that can't Love. I mean masculine Love that tells you what you need to know even if it makes you cry. Slimy lying women that can't image or don't care that not everyone has a vag and jump into traffic to set you straight.
Oh, God have mercy on all the males raise by lying F-ing witches that will wonder why none of her sons live older then 30, could it be the poison she vomited into them from crib.
There are not enough hours in the day to kick the teeth out of all the women and mothers that their children would have been better off it she died when they were 5 years old, and the father had to raise them - what a successful life we could have had.
I wouldn't have guessed you read Bernays, that's some extremely niche reading. But his 1926 essay "Manufacturing Consent" helped create the bullshit we deal with today. Bernays was a filthy jew who even used his Uncle Freud's (a different type of filthy jew) work to pad his own pockets.
Nb, it was another jew who actually invented the term (Lippman). Although lately Chomsky seems to have been assigned credit for it.
"This puts me in direct opposition to people who want to hold women accountable for their actions. I always find this strange in MGTOW because they have the ideas of hypergamy, economics, and sexual dimorphism completely wrapped up..."
Perhaps because the implications are horrifying. There aren't systems making women do this, it is women acting as they naturally are when there isn't a system to rein in their behavior. And that this isn't going to change, short of complete political collapse*. At which point getting a date will be the least of our worries.
*- which is highly unlikely
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"demand half of what you own"
I'd add that this includes retirement, unless you are a railway worker. Many seem to focus on cash in the bank, but especially if you've been working for awhile that retirement can be far larger. I worked with a guy who had to come out of retirement in his 70s because his 2nd wife took 1/2 of his retirement that was left after the 1st wife had taken her 1/2.
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" When the divorce rate is 50% of all marriages, is it really that 50% of men are bad?"
Interesting factoid: highest divorce rate is lesbian couples, lowest is gay male couples. I think we've narrowed down the list of culprits...
In America people aren’t property. That is the Declaration of Independence whose compromises were resolved by Civil War and the 13th Amendment. The 13th amendment bans ALL HUMAN SERVITUDE. So; The state can have no powers over the family or slavery, serfdom and trafficking in humans- such as Child protective services engages in - is the result. The state and the laws destroyed the Father for power and money with the willing collaboration of women whose motives are money and revenge.
The state cannot touch the family no more than it can touch religion. Until this is accepted human servitude continues and the family will be reduced to the privileged, even as the richest of them refuses marriage and contracts for children. Can anyone blame them?
The author’s point about holding women accountable is impractical to impossible is true but they marry the state for low reasons.
You don't understand the 13th am.
Do explain. “Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”
Do explain what I don’t understand?
Interpret "except as a punishment...".
If slavery and involuntary servitude were banned under and and all conditions, as you contend, there'd be no exception phrase.
You need to get a good grip Article VII, too. It purports to tell the reader about the law of establishment before its own ratification. That presupposes what is at issue, so a source of law outside the Con is needed. If there were one, we could say truthfully A7 is a restatement of law, much as the United States Code is presented as a restatement of law.
The preamble is yet another problem area. It insinuates that absolutely everyone has authority, which is false, of course. Also false is the claim that everyone in the populace at the time participated in ordaining and establishing the Con. In truth, fewer than ½ did so. This is not itself a problem, as just suggested, but the blatant lie vitiates the preamble, which serves as the authority clause of the Con. Your Constitution is fake law.
I have no idea what you are all about but I have restacked a couple of your pieces. Your commenters have me very perplexed. There seems to be so much misogyny in your commenters but that is not what I read in your pieces. I will keep coming back to read.
Feds running disruptor campaigns.
Great essay. I disagree, though—strongly—about the washing machine. After the vacuum cleaner and the car, it’s the best invention ever. I don’t know what you have against washing machines.
Up until the invention of the washing machine most women were highly occupied with domestic labour.
Western men took it as a source of pride to free women from their job with technological wonders, but the result was bored women who were easily propagandised and mobilised to cause trouble.
To be honest I knew that's why he said that about the washing machine (and I don't disagree, although I would say the problem is the 19th Amendment not the washing machine). So I was partly being humorous, but also partly reflecting my personal situation: since because of women's lib I have to clean the house myself, thank God for the machines!
Both caused problems.
Feminist realizes victory destroyed society. Her own son, nephew and students won’t speak to her and do a cost benefit analysis in every interaction; usually say nothing.
https://youtu.be/_NC6w2gkro4?si=as8o3DjbKeFvCuCQ
For example, if, marriage is as you stated such a wonderful slush fund, why are young women becoming increasingly ambivalent about marriage?
It's mouse utopia, all th way down.
All of this bickering will end when our civilization collapses and women go back to being chattel.
Civilizations collapse for all kinds of reasons, but I believe our civilization will collapse (and quickly) because we let women vote. They vote to let in huge hordes of barbarians and simultaneously encourage the printing of money because everything should be "free".
It'll be massive inflation and being overrun by thirld world street-shitters that will be our undoing. All because women feel bad for the people they see on TV.
Also, most of the federal reserve, and Nixon, who brought the dollar off the gold standard are men. I don’t think woman had much to do with taking the dollar off the gold standard. I don’t think women had much to do with the fact that Wall Street, which is predominantly male is obsessed with easy money and quick profits. Once again, the 2010s and 2020s have brought this new strain of conservative victimhood, where men have become perpetual victims tossed about by the seas of fate and evil feminist (who they caricature laughable ways), and now express a resentment in the world that is out of step with reality.
You want to know what women made ugly? The got political power and changed society so that strangers can insult or disrespect a man with the hyper-safety lawfare big-Sister everywhere so it you punch the cnts in the head for being rude, FeminNazies drag you off to jail and the asshole you now regret you didn't break both his legs has lawyer and taking you retirement and other things that you still own money on.
When I was a young man everyone was polite to everyone, and not only because they might get a punch in the face - it was because we were twisted cnts, we were raised with standard male virtues, and women knew that men were important in keeping civilization going and also because most had some kind of problem that a stranger (man) stepped up and helped her.
When I moved to Vermont there was an asshole at work that would say things that were insulting if you look at them the way he wanted you to, because no one else would understand if punched the basterd after one of them, anyone listening would know why you did it.
I had anxiety moments because my fist would scream 'Punch him!' but my job was what I was born to do, and it I hit him, I know the job would be no more, and so I would beat him until his skull was in pieces and brain would be everywhere - I sure didn't want to stand naked before God again and See myself as a killer through His eyes.
Yea - it's a F-ing hell-scape. And I'm looking forward to God calling me away
You are comparing apples and oranges.
Young women in their 20s don't want to get married, they want to party and work on their fun and exciting careers. It isn't until their 30s that they realize work sucks and that their ability to lock a man down is fading.
They don’t need it, they’ve married the state.
Because it’s a high-effort mechanism to reach men’s finances.
Government slush-funds are much more accessible.
Wow you seem excited for civilian end that will destroy you and most young men of this time, and bring back slavery. Why is that?
No. Quite sad actually that my desendants will have to endure all of this nonsense. It's sad seeing my people (WASPs), the most productive people to ever exist on the face of the globe, wiped out because we made the mistake of granting universal suffrage.
Besides the fact that as I stated, you cannot prove that any ills facing the USA now are do to female suffrage, what ai want to understand is what does this twisted viewpoint do for you? What kind of psychological needs is it fufiling.
AlsoOk. If you are against female suffrage, who do you think should have the right to vote? And in a world without any rights for women, how would you differentiate yourself from Afghanistan, Iran or several Central African countries?
Women are the tool used to destroy society. In the early 1960s a lot of older mothers and grandmothers rejected the wisdom that they had always passed down to daughters and grand children, along with religious faith. They were brain-washed by Zionists owned and controlled mass media and ideologically captured education, medical, psychological, and other institutions.
Hell had gotten an expanded borderless foothold onto the desecrated Holy Lands in late 1940s, and all demonic directed groups have a spot to coordinate from ..
---
As the world is overcome in screams of torturous endless death as the malignant expending borderless foothold of Hell that was given the false disguised name ..
(israel, {hear the screams from Hell, it's now blaspheme name!}),
.. one tiny bit of peace for the Jewish Nation in it people around the world and all those can still see and think .. The Demon that had hidden and brought endless persecution has been drawn to the Foothold of Hell in large enough concentrations that we can see the evil that was hiding - your own Synagogue of Hell and Death that claimed to be Jews but were not.
.
Quick Rejoice! before Hell Death takes us all , Thank and Praise God you are Free of the Curse that followed you everywhere - and the rest of the world can know that you not the evil and death that hid and followed you. The Rotting Stinking Corpse That - disguised wearing the fresh pealed skin off another dead Jew that their persecution brought onto you!
WE SEE IT - TOO!
Do You?
----
And those captured older women, mothers, and grandmothers that once pass on wisdom became Satan's programmed 5th column Golem-warriors in every family.
The exchanged Faith and knowing we all are made in the image of God with souls, to soulless meat-machine that can sin endlessly listing and murdering our babies until the void of nothingness takes us - the reject God enslaving themselves to sin and death and Hell.
So, forcing all population to accept something that the day before was illegal in every State with some rare extreme exceptions and that was how a large majority of people wanted and knew it should be, then forced by unelected Justices to accept the ugly, insane, evil as normal and paid with taxes and push all around the world under 'health' on false legal grounds.
It broke our minds, and every generation it gets worse. With women cheering on the next insanity - sexually mutilate children YES! Eat the unborn - YES! ..
Well, I submitted a manuscript about the cognitive damage we all suffer from, I hope will be published after successful peer review, and it is powerful because it defines what so many people haven't been able to and so have been helpless to suffer it's increasing harms and damage not only to us in the USA, not only to all the Western nations but most of the world.
The manuscript is in PDF form and may be downloaded from here:
https://stevenwork.substack.com/i/195365129/developing-incomplete-peer-review-manuscript
Have a look and discover some of the answers to a lot of questions we all have .. like why we are sliding non-stop ever deeper into flaming Clown-World Hell?
Marriage is supposed to be divine union where both sexes get to play their ultimate part to create Stasis. Men seem to be completely separated from the true nature of women and think it perverse and evil and it causes everything they do to backfire, creating misery for both parties. If men knew how women are supposed to be in nature and didn’t hate it but rather loved it, the collective union wouldn’t be where it’s at right now.
This is why God needs to send the asteroid.
Yeah, we need each other, and we need a structured community. But we also need to get women out of high institutions and government. Until their stranglehold on our culture through managerial karen-ism is eliminated, women as a whole act as an existential threat to the future of all young men.
Good piece!
You get into something interesting with the “personal responsibility” vs. “change management” argument. Tony Robbins calls this the thermostat, where you only make the change you’re comfortable with for as long as it feels good.
Too much effort and you get exhausted before you build a self-sustaining system. Too little builds up angst until you can’t bear your situation any more and you start a flurry of change. Either way, people on that treadmill usually run out of energy before they get what they want.
But at least preserving agency keeps your options open, giving you more chances to build the community you want if it doesn’t already exist.
http://libertybeginsathome.com/2026/05/14/the-hidden-power-of-agency/
Not at all a fan of psychology .
Very keen on sociology and anthropology and military science .
So of course I liked it .
Time to return to Forest. The road to glory, the road to the stars, begins in Wilderness!