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Cappy's avatar
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How under current circumstances do you expect people to form communities, it’s a dead house we keep beating of saying “people need to form communities” without any reasonable explanation of how and under what basis, to hope and pray people link up based on the fact that their grandparents both lived In the same mountain range when you have historical American blood feuds in areas far smaller is to ignore that there has to be a basis for unity and against what, if you truly look at the issues surrounding you may yet come to the conclusion that Mexicans Indians or the beloved blacks won’t cook pot pie or use egg noodles, this all is best summarized by Jean raspail: “Your universe has no meaning to them. They will not try to understand. They will be tired, they will be cold, they will make a fire with your beautiful oak door” now please stop talking about whimsical fishing niggers or other people who you presuppose to be my countrymen, it’s as tired as an American flag branded “made in China”

Notes From The UnderPass's avatar

Yes the problem with White Nationalism is that a good number of "whites" are the enemies of civilization and probably can't be reformed.

Fate of the Fallen's avatar

This is slightly off-topic (and deceptively on-topic), but I feel the need to state something here.

I was born and raised in Central Appalachia, at its very heart: Eastern Kentucky, right beside the Kentucky/West Virginia border. It is a land of coal, hillbillies (whom outsiders mistake for rednecks), corn bread and chicken-and-dumplings and Kentucky Chess Bars, bourbon and moonshine, bluegrass music, tobacco and marijuana and opioids, and emerald hills and hollows which are some of the most sacred and beautiful nature that YHVH ever ssawfit to create.

I know Appalachia; and it needs to be said that you are one of the most questionable and suspect Appalachians that I have ever crossed online paths with.

The Appalachian Gorilla's avatar

I understand man. Its the east coast 1990s rust belt mtv thing. I got the mountain creek pond swimming hunting apple pie moonshine thing but I also got cheese steaks, strombolis, chinese, food, box chevy, pontiac, thing. Also I did not get the corn bread biscuit thing. We got rigatoni, lasagna, manicotti, italian bread, and olive oil thing. My people fought and died in coal union wars, steel mill picket lines, and fought the police in the street too. Its a different regional thing.

Charles Snead's avatar

I very much enjoy your articles and have seen and understand much of what you speak of. I am far less researched but have retained what I have seen over my life.

One small note here; I was just at an Amish horse auction for two days looking for a good harness horse. Found one. I was one of less than a handful of English. The Amish term for us.

The point I am getting to is I have been to this auction multiple times and it only now occurred to me I have never once heard a child scream, demand or otherwise make a fuss about anything. I only see them being helpful and just being happy children. The only other group I have witnessed this is among Civil War reenactors. Confederate Cavalry camp. Always, yes Mrs yes Sir and what can I help with?

Always.

JT's avatar
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“The chicken must be pulled off a bone; it cannot be breast meat.”

Now you have my attention.

William Hunter Duncan's avatar

Alright, this I kind of understand, where you are coming from. Most liberals have been made to feel ashamed for being white, most on the right having not been very conscious of it, are now asked to be proud of it without context.

I am a proud American of European extraction, scotch and german. I live among the stuffy descendants of the nordic countries. We are all atomized consumers in this materialist, secular culture. These nordic descendants hate it so much they flooded the zone with somalis who they let prey upon the populace with impunity, so these nordics can feel righteous about something.

"We can not continue to be just white. White is a nonsense term for a human who is not black. We need to be able to address this insanity by having real cultures with actual guard rails on them."

Luke's avatar

Right. Im supposed to have more loyalty to the white only fan whore on her 3rd abortion than the actual Indian lady who buys eggs from me next door?

Noble Commoning's avatar

I especially like your pot pie passage: I think you’re right that transmission of culture happens (for instance) between an adult and a child at a counter, and that cultures die when practices die. I likewise think you’re right that ideology doesn’t build a community; shared bonds formed in collaborative work, worship, or war do—which makes agreement over principles more often a fruit of real community than a prerequisite to joining. I also appreciate your reliance on explanations that don’t require conspiratorial intent, whether or not conspiracies have been present. Conspiratorial thinking too often skips analysis of what, precisely, has contributed to an undesirable outcome—which unintentionally makes it harder for people to avoid those outcomes in the future. These are significant alignments, so I hope you’ll read what follows as a friendly reply under a shared big tent.

I think white people exist. You note that the name for a people often comes from their enemies or from their land. *Guinea* was a slur. *Italian* was an outsider’s word too—Aristotle’s *Italoi,* after Italus, a king down in the toe. The same people called themselves Samnite, Sabine, or Etruscan for centuries, but when the Samnites and their neighbors went to war with Rome, they stamped the Italian bull on their coins; then the name widened north until it covered the Sabines and Etruscans too. Nobody would say Italians don’t exist because they didn’t initially gather under that umbrella, and nobody would say Calabrese don’t exist because a Greek named the place after somebody’s calves. Doesn’t *white* stand on the same footing? It’s an outsider’s administrative word, sure—but it’s been inhabited for three hundred years by people of various ethnicities, almost all of whom will tell you it’s theirs. I don’t think you can keep *Italian* and drop *white*; their derivations are too similar for that.

I also don’t think it’s relevant to the existence of whites that some of the people who most undermine white wellbeing today are whites themselves. You’ve written about being born to a man who chose violence as a profession and collected the debts that bought other men their Mercedes and their castles. Calabrians preyed on Calabrians in this country for the better part of a century, but that didn’t dissolve the Calabrese. When whites in HR intentionally disadvantage whites, or white teachers teach white children that guilt runs in their blood, this doesn’t dissolve whites. If anything, this is what it looks like when someone intimately familiar with the vulnerabilities of her own people exploits those vulnerabilities from the inside—which only confirms: those people *exist.*

Colin Woodard in *American Nations* claims that America consists of eleven fundamentally different peoples, and he describes one of them, the Left Coast, as a fusion of two of the others. That’s where our co-op is located—in Oregon, where many Appalachian Scots-Irish settled over a century and a half ago, taking many customs familiar to you with them, while intermingling with enough Yankees to create a unique fusion of the latter’s utopian idealism, emphasis on good government, and penchant for social reform with the former’s fierce independence, hunger for exploration, and commitment to personal sovereignty. This fusion occurred the same way values have long been transmitted in the Americas: through making a life, side by side.

Saul Badman's avatar

I’d love to learn about your take on boomers’ crime, Tom - thank you

the long warred's avatar

We’re almost certainly stuck with the states we have, although civil war could change that somewhat, not as much as people think or want into what they want.

War is;

Ways. Strategy and tactics.

Means. That’s logistics.

Ends. The goal. The point.

Every state and territory starts with all of them, their ends being survival and remaining in power which probably is the same thing, for all their faults D gets this, R is dreaming of part time government that never existed. Even Washington couldn’t get a break, he certainly tried. His great reluctance to take power within his grasp, leave then return to power one of his many recommendations.

No, we can’t talk or vote our way out of anything but submission to a fate chosen by others; We call that Peace.

Ouachita Alchemy's avatar

A 18 (*edited 21)yr old colored asked his Gparents for some cash , they said No he stabbed them to death. Gma lived long enough to call 911 and tell the deed . How soul breaking for those Gparents

William Hunter Duncan's avatar

Also, this guy wants to destroy the idea of white too. But he is a potential bottomless hole of violence against his fellow "whites," who wants to flood this "economic zone" with another hundred million mostly muslim.

I'd post a pic of Oliver Larkin's smarmy face but substack won't let me.

https://www.oliverforcongress.com/